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You OK?
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It's all right to feel afraid.
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It's all right to feel anything.
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I'm here for you.
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I see it's catching,
my paranoia.
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You're safe, Paul. Trust me.
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We talked about pushing yourself,
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getting back out there
from the start.
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You're so sure about this,
aren't you?
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Yeah, we are.
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Only takes one person to
recognise me and I'm screwed.
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Doesn't mean
you can go on holiday.
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Paul's got a future.
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Paul can have the life he wants.
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- Why are you smiling?
- You.
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All those years,
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"Tell the truth."
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"Face the truth."
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Now you're teaching me to lie.
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It's just me.
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You can't be here.
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What do you think you're doing?
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Why don't you answer the phone?
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You're a mess,
you need help.
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You said you'd help me out.
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I ain't doing that again.
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You want people here knowing
what you did?
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I'd never, I'd never!
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Please, help me.
Please.
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You said you'd get me the drugs.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry!
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SILENT WITNESS
Season 19 - Episode 5
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Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd
Sync: Net Lion
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Thanks.
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"Life Licence"
Part 1 of 2
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- Superintendent Clive Mitchell.
- Lyell Centre, Nikki Alexander,
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- Jack Hodgson.
- DI Snow.
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- Not often we're met by the Super.
- Not often we get one like this.
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David Sellars, 31.
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Multiple wounds to the torso,
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forearms, hands, neck.
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Forehead and scalp also.
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- Is there a weapon?
- No.
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Time of death most likely 7.45
yesterday evening.
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That was fast.
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We'll verify,
but with wounds like this,
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attack and death won't be
very far apart.
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It is odd, though.
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What's odd?
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There should be way more blood.
Excuse me.
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Someone's tried to clean up.
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- Is this his place?
- Tenant.
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Let's owned by
the probation service,
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they've got several
units on this estate.
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- How long has he been out of prison?
- Six months.
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- What was he in for?
- He did 12 years...
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..for killing his mother.
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The kid who used to dream
is still in here,
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but I just stopped believing it.
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Cocaine,
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vodka, cash,
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being the man,
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being feared.
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Took a long time
to learn
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it's OK
to be afraid.
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Being in that club...
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..watching my girl get hit on,
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those two touching her
when she never wanted it...
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I chose what happened next.
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I chose to follow them
into that car park.
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I could've walked away...
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..but I took a baseball bat...
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..and I ended their lives,
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ruined so many others.
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You never pay back what you did,
never goes away.
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Only evil is to admit nothing,
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deny.
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No-one here's doing that.
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Everyone here has taken a life,
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so a life licence
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gives you the chance
of a new beginning.
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I believe that earns you
the right to dream again.
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It worked for me.
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Watch that one, though.
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She'll do your head in.
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All right, mate, cheers.
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- That was really helpful, thank you.
- Nice one, mate.
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Cheers.
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Don't make me do that again.
First time back is tough.
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Problem share's a pain in the arse,
didn't you teach me that?
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It's always good that they hear
it from someone who's been through
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the system. You were brave,
we were listening.
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Maybe I should branch out -
kids' parties, weddings.
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Well, I ain't going to light it.
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You've been a good
support to Ben,
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and really positive.
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He's done all the hard work.
With your help.
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Excuse me.
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Sasha Blackburn, Origins Centre.
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Yes.
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I'll be there.
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- Sasha?
- It's David.
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60 plus narrow stab wounds
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to the torso, neck, face.
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Further incised wounds
to the palms and arms.
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He was probably struggling to defend
himself for most of the attack.
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Wound orientation and grouping
suggests a rapid assault.
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Slim blade, probably a knife.
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Single edge, non-serrated.
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Both forearms show multiple
keloid scars.
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Some of the worst I've seen.
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Some of them are still healing,
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suggestion of prolonged
self-harm.
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Or abuse. Mm.
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Also evidence of heat damage
to the dermis.
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It's branding.
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David marked himself every year,
his mother's birthday.
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This is Dr Blackburn,
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forensic psych attached
to the Origins Centre,
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the lifers'
rehab unit Sellars attended.
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His feet are abraded and lacerated.
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David suffered
from schizoaffective disorder.
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During bad episodes he'd often go
barefoot, hallucinate.
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Was he in the middle
of a psychotic episode?
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He wasn't stable.
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The last few weeks,
I'd been seeing him regularly.
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I was pushing for a hospital stay.
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There's a callous on his lower shin.
Did he wear an ankle tag?
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He didn't have one on?
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Didn't he have one?
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He must have taken it off.
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He had consented to GPS monitoring.
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Some prefer that to daily signings
or police visits.
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Can we get that data, please? Yeah.
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Nikki...
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have you ever seen that before?
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No.
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Small intestine, it's the wrong
colour. It's bright purple.
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I was a prep cook at a university.
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I was helper cook
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at the university,
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It was a big kitchen,
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like a canteen...
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for students.
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Can you use a fry tank?
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What? No, I did breakfasts, mostly.
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Worked on the cruise
ships two years.
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- Where did that take you?
- The Mediterranean.
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Catch anything
I should know about?
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I'm winding you up.
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We use a candidate verify service.
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Background checks.
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You're alone with a till.
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Unless you're an armed robber,
you'll be fine.
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You Mill Wall or The Addicks?
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A South London boy,
not into your football?
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2003, David Sellars
was sentenced to life
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for the murder of Mary Sellars,
his mother.
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Judge set minimum
term of ten years,
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Sellars served 12.
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So there were problems inside.
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He started off
in secure hospitals.
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When medication stabilised him,
he improved.
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Moved to prison,
where I helped with his rehab.
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He struggled but tried really hard.
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He was released on licence
last year.
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David stabbed his mother
with a fire poker
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which he heated first, yeah?
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- Correct.
- How did you find him?
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- Regarding his offence?
- Yeah.
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Remorseful, lucid.
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On medication,
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David was capable
of objectivity, good judgment.
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His psychometric scores
improved year on year.
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I had no evidence not to
recommend him for release.
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And what was behind
his recent relapse?
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It's difficult to say.
Just stopped communicating.
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Main reason I was considering
the section order.
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Without meds, people with
schizophrenia can become unstable.
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On rare occasions, violent.
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But they're all extremely
vulnerable.
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Right, no weapon yet
but the clean-up job seems odd.
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Frenzied attack,
the killer sticks around to mop up
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and has the presence of mind to
dispose of the cleaning gear.
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We're doing a deep
search for the murder weapon.
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We need to widen the net for DNA.
I'm on it next.
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Swabs from all the residents.
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Interesting career choice,
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spend your day with the most
violent men in the country.
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Whereas our job's entirely
free of unresolved personal issues!
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So, purple intestine's calling me.
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Thomas.
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All right?
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He was attacked in his flat.
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I know you were close in Redhill.
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I'm sorry.
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They know who done it?
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Not yet.
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Where are they burying him?
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It don't matter, does it?
No-one will be there.
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I won't be there, will I?
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We used to joke who'd have
the emptiest church, him or me.
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- I'll be there.
- Yeah, you don't give up on anyone.
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Look, I know it's really hard, but
you have to focus on your progress.
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- I am.
- I spoke to the agency and they said
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that you walked out of
your job interview.
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He smelt me out.
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He knew it was bullshit,
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- it's all bullshit.
- Paul. Paul!
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You don't get it!
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The things we've done,
they don't go away.
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No, we just run from it.
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Four o'clock, Marcus.
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Always better the prison
governor's on side.
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We can move that one there.
That one, yes, that'd be...
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Hi, Sylvie.
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You're not so hard to find.
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Our boy's name's
right above the door.
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Had a drink today, Ted?
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Is that your business any more?
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You're in my office.
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Is Connor here?
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So you've heard, then.
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He's out, Sylvie.
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I was going to call you.
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Yeah, I can see you're busy.
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They told me
I could have some counselling,
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it'll help process my feelings.
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What do you reckon?
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Maybe you could get me
together with Joe.
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Try to forgive.
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Never forget.
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You should talk to someone.
What if I found out where he lives?
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Still got some old contacts.
We met some good coppers, didn't we?
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You promised me
you'd do nothing to him.
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Ever.
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When I still loved you...
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..you promised me.
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Promise me again.
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Now.
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I know you're in there, Connor,
lad, I know you are.
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I just want you to know
I respect your decision
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to ignore your father for
almost six or seven years,
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totally respect that.
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Free country, especially
if you're Joe Sherringham.
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Do you want to be here
when the police arrive?
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I don't have any photographs of him
any more.
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Can't...
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..of my little boy.
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How can you bear to have them?
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Just have him look at you,
every day?
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How can you do that, Sylvie?
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I was going to tell you.
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I'm sorry.
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- Forensics, right?
- Yep.
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One of your guys said it's
a right mess up there.
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Did you get anything?
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- And you are...?
- Ryan White, warden.
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I was on the force, two years.
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I told your Super I'd help if I can.
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- Two years? Not long.
- Paper worker.
262
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:05,060
I wanted to be on the street,
making a difference.
263
00:19:05,660 --> 00:19:08,309
Has the graffiti been going on long?
264
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:09,859
A few months.
265
00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:11,819
This is a decent community.
266
00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:14,699
There's a few ex-cons, lifers -
267
00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:16,859
God knows what they did.
268
00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:20,224
But probation says they're safe,
so...
269
00:19:20,225 --> 00:19:23,589
- Is that anything to do with all this, the paint?
- It's probably just kids.
270
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:25,579
I'll need a swab from you,
for the record.
271
00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:27,419
Anything I can do.
272
00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:29,840
Do you want a cup of tea
while you're at it?
273
00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,420
- Tea or coffee?
- Tea, please.
274
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,940
That spray paint's a nightmare
to clean off.
275
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,860
Yeah, it must get all over you.
276
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,260
Can I use your bathroom?
277
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,329
Sure, it's downstairs.
278
00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:04,720
Thanks.
279
00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:17,120
Yellow paint.
280
00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:38,480
Blood.
281
00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:51,704
Someone's been busy.
282
00:20:51,705 --> 00:20:53,580
Do you take sugar?
283
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,300
Text from the office.
Sorry, got to go.
284
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,269
Snow?
It's Jack Hodgson.
285
00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:13,589
I'm outside flat 63,
the warden, Ryan White.
286
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:16,800
There's blood in his bathroom -
better get down here.
287
00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:20,649
Shit...
288
00:21:20,650 --> 00:21:23,320
Man, I hate it when they run!
289
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,970
Stop, police!
290
00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:51,480
Get up!
291
00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:59,469
Clarissa, the discolouration
we noticed in the intestine,
292
00:21:59,470 --> 00:22:00,780
anything yet?
293
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,129
What?
294
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:09,709
- It's Bulgarian for cow.
- Really?
295
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:11,579
Bovine diazepam.
296
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,644
They add a purple dye to show
297
00:22:13,645 --> 00:22:15,699
it's unlicensed for
human consumption.
298
00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:20,029
This batch was manufactured
by a chemical company in Gabrovo.
299
00:22:20,030 --> 00:22:22,780
The deceased probably got it
illegally online.
300
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,290
Much like my fluent Bulgarian!
301
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,789
Don't worry, I'm all over it...
302
00:22:28,790 --> 00:22:30,779
Shef.
303
00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:33,309
- Sorry I'm late.
- Hey, it's your mum!
304
00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:34,610
Hey.
305
00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:38,439
Mum! He scored twice. Twice?
306
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,874
Max, that's brilliant!
307
00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:43,300
We thought you were going
to be there.
308
00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:45,460
I'm sorry, sweetheart.
309
00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:50,209
I'll be there next time
for your hat-trick, I promise.
310
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:51,560
OK.
311
00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:58,179
He was fine.
312
00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:00,104
It's you I'm worried about.
313
00:23:00,105 --> 00:23:02,020
Since the divorce... Mum.
314
00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:05,779
Why don't I cook tea?
315
00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:08,300
Let me just...
Let me just get rid of all this.
316
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,660
Hi, it's me.
317
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,539
We found aerosol paints
on your clothes.
318
00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:56,620
Matches paint found outside
the victim's front door.
319
00:23:57,820 --> 00:24:01,934
Yeah, a can went missing
from my workshop a few days ago.
320
00:24:01,935 --> 00:24:06,049
There are also traces of blood in
your bathroom and on your trainers.
321
00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:08,459
David Sellars' blood.
322
00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,909
Why did you wash your trainers,
Ryan?
323
00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:12,669
I don't know anything about blood.
324
00:24:12,670 --> 00:24:14,429
Then, why did you run?
325
00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:15,820
I panicked.
326
00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:20,924
I asked that forensics guy
back to my flat.
327
00:24:20,925 --> 00:24:24,259
Why would I do that
if I'd just murdered someone?
328
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:28,689
The probation service use some
of those flats for ex-offenders.
329
00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:31,389
How do you feel about that,
having ex-cons in your block?
330
00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:33,729
Nice flats, all paid for.
331
00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:36,059
Everyone deserves a second chance.
332
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:39,160
You haven't had many yourself,
though, have you, Ryan?
333
00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:43,169
I mean,
the police force didn't want you.
334
00:24:43,170 --> 00:24:46,184
It seems you expressed some pretty
strong views at interview.
335
00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:49,649
Life should be for life,
police's hands are tied.
336
00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:52,229
Then, you got divorced soon after,
so...
337
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:54,299
no second chances there, either.
338
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,980
How often do you see your kids
now that Mary's moved to Scotland?
339
00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:00,509
She never applied for
a restraining order,
340
00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:02,229
so you're not denied access.
341
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:03,580
Don't you want to see them?
342
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,780
Or don't they want to see you?
343
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,834
Hard for any father,
344
00:25:09,835 --> 00:25:11,820
that kind of rejection.
345
00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:17,509
Do you know what that freak did
to his own mother?
346
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:19,779
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
347
00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:21,880
And now I know you did too.
348
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,729
Failed marriage,
failed cop,
349
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:26,619
prejudiced, the aerosol,
350
00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:28,980
access to the flat, fled the scene.
351
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,360
Not a big leap for the jury.
352
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,740
I went up.
353
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,580
I wanted to see him,
wash the graffiti off again.
354
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:47,844
- And I saw...
- You cleaned your tracks.
355
00:25:47,845 --> 00:25:50,709
Why didn't you just call the police,
Ryan?
356
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:52,739
I wasn't thinking straight.
357
00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:55,309
I thought if someone
knew about the graffiti,
358
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:57,540
if they saw my...footprints...
359
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,559
You can do me for
that if you want,
360
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,820
but I never killed him,
I swear!
361
00:26:41,230 --> 00:26:42,539
Tell me you got something new.
362
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:45,139
We can't hold Ryan
White much longer.
363
00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:49,149
We tracked the tag that David
Sellars wore up until last week.
364
00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:51,749
Most days he never left his flat,
365
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:54,640
but two weeks ago,
he made quite a trip.
366
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:58,340
Yeah, right across town.
367
00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:01,579
What's this? Residential flats.
368
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:04,139
He was outside one of them
for three hours.
369
00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:05,530
Waiting for someone?
370
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:10,180
Yeah, check the occupant.
If it's good, bring him in.
371
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Paul Raynott?
372
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,239
So, this is your idea too.
373
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,259
What, to use full resources?
Absolutely.
374
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:36,859
- Where's the suspect?
- He's not a suspect.
375
00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:39,459
We have a person of interest.
On his consent,
376
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:41,619
we'd like to do some
tests after interview.
377
00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:44,269
Sorry,
during which
378
00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:46,770
you intend to bring up the
matter of his identity.
379
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,339
Are you serious?
Absolutely.
380
00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:52,479
Then, these people do
not need to be here.
381
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,959
My client's safety means
he's a very vulnerable case.
382
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,269
Who's the client?
383
00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:59,539
Look, are we part of this
investigation or not?
384
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:02,740
How can we contribute unless we know
who and what we're dealing with?
385
00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:05,699
Excuse me.
386
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,050
DI Snow will be taking notes.
387
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,199
Should I have a lawyer, then?
388
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,009
You're not under caution,
this is a witness interview.
389
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:18,280
You understand why you're here.
390
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,910
What would you like me to call you?
391
00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:26,099
Paul.
392
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,240
Do you know why you're here,
Paul?
393
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:30,939
David's dead.
394
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:33,149
Describe your relationship
with David Sellars
395
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:35,019
when you were both at Redhill.
396
00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:37,789
He looked out for me.
Not many did.
397
00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:39,520
When did you last see him?
398
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,899
Ages ago, inside.
399
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,740
So, no contact since, of any kind?
400
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,009
This is a record of a journey
401
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:54,400
that David Sellars
made three weeks ago.
402
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:58,609
He visited your address.
403
00:28:58,610 --> 00:29:00,440
Can you tell us about that?
404
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,579
I don't understand that.
Did you see him that day?
405
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,829
- No, never.
- How did he know where to find you?
406
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:09,939
I don't know. Your new ID, address -
407
00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:12,260
that's all
highly-protected information.
408
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:14,619
How did he know where you were?
409
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:16,450
Paul answered the question.
410
00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:19,370
I know you're Joe Sherringham.
411
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,409
A child killer.
412
00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:24,710
Joe Sherringham?
413
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,899
A willing participant
in one of the most notorious
414
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,100
child murders in recent history.
415
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,470
Craig Blake murder.
416
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:37,109
Since release, you've been on daily
signing with probation.
417
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:39,559
You've been late for some of these.
418
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,169
I lose track of time a bit,
it's only happened twice.
419
00:29:42,170 --> 00:29:44,409
Tell me where you were last
night between 7pm and 10pm.
420
00:29:44,410 --> 00:29:47,079
- I never killed David.
- Just answer the question, please.
421
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,039
- In my flat.
- Can anyone confirm that?
422
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280
No.
I was on my own.
423
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,690
Can't imagine anything more lonely.
Living with your secret.
424
00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:05,649
Pretending to the outside world that
you're something you're not.
425
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:08,100
- Superintendent...
- Of course you needed a friend.
426
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:11,500
Someone who knows who Paul
really is.
427
00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:14,989
But then,
he became a liability.
428
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:17,790
- You felt sorry for him, but you couldn't help...
- Please be quiet.
429
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,540
Must have been very, very scary.
430
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:24,100
Thinking about what he could do.
431
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,300
What he knew.
432
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,099
What would Joe have done?
433
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,820
What would Joe have to do to
stay safe?
434
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:34,020
Joe wouldn't be scared.
435
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,980
Stop this interview!
436
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:42,660
I'm not Joe any more.
I've done nothing.
437
00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:50,949
Did you see how he looked at me?
Proper copper that one, innit?
438
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:53,309
I know that look!
He thinks I'm a monster.
439
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:54,869
Is there anything
you're not telling me?
440
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:57,429
Because now's the time.
Did you contact David?
441
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:58,759
You don't believe me.
442
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,859
- Will you just come and talk to Probation.
- See, I know what's coming.
443
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,659
What do I have to do?
I'll do it. Daily signing?
444
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:07,249
I'll do curfews, tag me, I don't
care. Not prison, a safe house.
445
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:09,519
You come and go,
I will see you every day.
446
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,019
This is them, they want this.
447
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:14,920
Paul, it's about what's best for you.
448
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,539
Then, arrest me.
449
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:20,340
Cos I ain't walking
back in, no chance!
450
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,340
I need Paul Raynott's
offender manager.
451
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:33,589
I've just spoken to
Probation Services.
452
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:34,949
The day David was trapped,
453
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:37,559
Paul was with his
offender manager all day.
454
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,869
- They never met.
- But the day he was murdered,
455
00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:42,629
David took off his tag.
There could've been other times.
456
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:45,130
There's no proof.
Are you going to charge him
without it?
457
00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:49,339
I appreciate you're very
invested in Joe's rehabilitation,
458
00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:51,499
but the truth is there are
no certainties yet.
459
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,669
- Ryan and Joe could both be in on this.
- I'm overinvested here?
460
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:56,620
You are prejudging a very sensitive,
very insecure young man.
461
00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:01,849
You know, I knew officers
on the Craig Blake murder.
462
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:03,609
When it was done,
they both took early retirement.
463
00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:06,069
My age, fit,
years of service ahead of them.
464
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:08,529
But after that one,
they'd had enough.
465
00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:11,179
What happened in that
building in the woods...
466
00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:13,750
what Joe and Marcus
did to that Blake boy -
467
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,919
they'd seen enough.
468
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,959
Have him sign the notes, get
his permission to search his flat.
469
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,519
If you've got any
fear that he'll run,
470
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,540
I'm the first to know.
471
00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:25,950
Agreed?
472
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,500
What you looking at?
473
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,500
Yeah, I killed Craig Blake.
474
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,850
I'm Joe Sherringham,
I killed him.
475
00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:53,600
Now, look at me,
I killed Craig!
476
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,580
Sick tosser!
477
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,039
- It is Sellar's blood, yeah?
- Some.
478
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,049
But these shoes should've been
drenched in it.
479
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:46,199
DI Snow found this
in a storm drain outside
480
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,509
David Sellar's block of flats.
481
00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:49,879
- Fantastic.
- Yes, we'll get onto it.
482
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,579
The attack on David.
483
00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:53,779
It required strength,
determination.
484
00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:57,789
Over 60 blows, that's around
two minutes of repeated stabbing,
485
00:33:57,790 --> 00:34:00,819
forceful enough to go through
bone an inch thick.
486
00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:03,001
- So?
- Ryan's threats were anonymous.
487
00:34:03,002 --> 00:34:05,139
He wanted to avoid
confrontation.
488
00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:08,629
The profile doesn't fit.
And there's more good news.
489
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:12,439
The wound pattern on David suggests
a right-handed assailant.
490
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,919
Let me guess.
Ryan's left-handed.
491
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,649
So, for now, Ryan's story holds.
492
00:34:17,650 --> 00:34:20,079
Went upstairs,
saw the blood, panicked, cleaned up.
493
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,939
And we can't prove that
Joe Sherringham
494
00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:24,259
- met David Sellars that day either.
- No.
495
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:26,379
OK,
we'll go back and make enquiries
496
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:30,079
about any contacts David may have
had outside or inside prison.
497
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,380
Sorry.
498
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:36,544
Right, can you access the hard
drive on this? I can.
499
00:34:36,545 --> 00:34:39,859
Since you asked so nicely.
500
00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:42,404
I'm looking for trashed e-mail,
social media,
501
00:34:42,405 --> 00:34:45,149
- deleted internet activity.
- Who's the user?
502
00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:48,650
Um, Paul Raynott, aka,
Joe Sherringham.
503
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:53,859
Anything you find,
run it past me first. Understood?
504
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:56,250
I'll run it any way you like.
505
00:35:00,460 --> 00:35:02,810
It was a road rage incident.
506
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,859
Business wasn't going well,
was drinking.
507
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:08,989
When the other guy came at me,
yelling,
508
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:11,500
I took the wrench and I just...
509
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,500
I lost it.
510
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:15,899
I've been out ten years now.
511
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,639
There were anger management
issues, obviously.
512
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,449
I realised that later.
513
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:22,109
And that's where you met
David Sellars.
514
00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:24,709
Yeah, he was on a reoffending
workshop that I helped on.
515
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:26,019
I didn't know him well.
516
00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:28,329
I think Sasha was very
concerned about him.
517
00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:30,289
He needed more
and more of her support.
518
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:32,119
We found graffiti outside his door.
519
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,919
Has he ever mentioned that
he was being threatened,
520
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,999
- intimidated?
- No.
521
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,539
Did he talk about wanting to
reduce his dose?
522
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:40,579
We're lifers,
Superintendent,
523
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:44,419
we can be recalled at any time
for almost anything.
524
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:47,269
David had three weeks before he
could move into his own house.
525
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:49,139
I can understand
why he wouldn't want
526
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:51,039
- anything to get in the way of that.
- Hi.
527
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,559
- Hi.
- My wife, Mandy.
528
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,389
Oh, thanks.
She doesn't normally do the coffee.
529
00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:59,339
She's the real boss round here.
530
00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:01,779
Kept the place going
while I was inside.
531
00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:04,780
Can you tell me where you were,
evening before last?
532
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:06,659
At home.
533
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:10,579
We went up about 10.30,
after the news.
534
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:12,139
Like we always do.
535
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:14,220
I'm also on licence.
536
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:17,139
Bennet Walker.
537
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:19,779
He attends the Origins Centre
as well.
538
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:22,419
Yeah, I helped him through his first
few months on the outside.
539
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:25,349
He needed a job,
it was cleared by probation, so...
540
00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:26,650
I'd like to talk to him.
541
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:29,204
Er, you should know that his
colleagues
542
00:36:29,205 --> 00:36:31,429
are not aware of his past.
543
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:33,880
Is Ben in any trouble?
544
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:36,980
I just need a word.
545
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:41,349
You were a bit of a bad boy,
weren't you, Ben?
546
00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:43,140
Gangs, drugs, bit of dealing.
547
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:47,750
Mm. Got life for murder.
548
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,820
Couple of guys chatting
up your girlfriend.
549
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:53,059
That was then.
550
00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:55,309
So, tell me about you and
David Sellars.
551
00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:56,700
Who?
552
00:36:57,740 --> 00:37:00,749
You were in Redhill
at the same time.
553
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:02,660
Oh, right, Sellars.
554
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:05,619
Bit of a schizo.
555
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:08,169
- You attacked him in the canteen.
- That was nothing.
556
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:09,839
It was an argument over
a portion he give me,
557
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,499
that was my first month inside.
558
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,039
Right. Before you turned that
corner.
559
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,029
Bought into the rehab workshops
and classes.
560
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:19,460
Ten years,
got yourself out on licence.
561
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,910
They don't let us out easy.
562
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,150
Whatever the papers
want you to think.
563
00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:30,620
Thing is, there's always that
question, isn't there?
564
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:33,520
Have you really changed?
565
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:36,710
Oliver texted me.
566
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,299
Why didn't you tell me
you wanted to interview my clients?
567
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,450
You have a problem with that,
Dr Blackburn?
568
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:47,469
Have you seen David Sellars
since you've been released? No.
569
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:50,419
What's this about, Sash?
570
00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:52,990
David Sellars was murdered
two days ago.
571
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:57,069
Where were you that day,
between 7pm and 10pm?
572
00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:59,679
Oh, right.
I get it.
573
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,379
Pull another lifer in for it. Yeah?
574
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:05,429
Easy collar, statement to the press,
all done and dusted, huh?
575
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:07,059
Just answer the question.
576
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:09,380
It's important, Ben,
whatever you know.
577
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:13,059
I was at the gym
and then, I went home.
578
00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:16,180
I'll be on camera all the way.
Why don't you go and check?
579
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:24,549
Why was David killed?
580
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:25,850
They don't know.
581
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:29,320
I'm so sorry. Are you OK?
582
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:31,769
I'm fine, Oliver, really.
583
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:34,339
You weren't
responsible for David.
584
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,419
You're looking after everyone
except yourself.
585
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:39,950
- There's people around you who can help.
- Look, I've really got to go.
586
00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:44,779
We've got David's tox reports.
587
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:47,899
They confirm that the anti-psychotic
588
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:49,769
that he was prescribed
was present,
589
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:52,289
but at much lower levels
than expected.
590
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:55,789
It suggests that he was
reducing his risperidone,
591
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:59,549
using bovine diazepam to try
and replace it.
592
00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:01,659
Do you think he was self-medicating?
593
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:04,349
David spent all his adult life
in jail.
594
00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:06,460
Told what to do, what to think.
595
00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:10,529
Self-medicating is a way
of taking back control.
596
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,380
He just wanted to feel normal.
597
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:15,459
We knew he was struggling.
598
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:18,520
He needed more and more of my time.
599
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:21,579
I knew that there was a chance
600
00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:24,160
he was letting his meds slip.
601
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:30,660
David trusted us,
and we let him down.
602
00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:36,204
What makes you want to do this?
603
00:39:36,205 --> 00:39:38,339
Making these impossible calls?
604
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:42,829
Almost all the lifers that
I deal with have also been victims.
605
00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:46,739
Abuse, neglect, just...
no chances in life.
606
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:50,149
Most want to turn things around,
they just don't know how.
607
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:52,469
And I am in a job that can help
them.
608
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,629
How can you know
if they've really changed,
609
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:56,139
if they're safe to be released?
610
00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:59,379
We look for the science, patterns,
tests, observation.
611
00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:02,384
We do our best with the evidence
that we have, just like you.
612
00:40:02,385 --> 00:40:05,389
Do you lie awake at night, wondering
if you made the right call?
613
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:06,690
Do you?
614
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,220
I believe everyone deserves
a second chance.
615
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,460
There's nothing worth nicking here,
mate, I swear.
616
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:47,880
Hello, Ted.
617
00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:57,789
I used to come round here
when Dad was drinking.
618
00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:00,340
And you'd patch me up,
let me stay over.
619
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:07,999
I want you to know I never
wanted to hurt Craig, I swear.
620
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,900
But you did.
621
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:13,579
That's exactly what you did.
622
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:14,900
I didn't know who I was.
623
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,519
I had no-one at home
to show me, just you.
624
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,140
And then, Marcus came.
625
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:24,289
And he...
He could see I was wide one,
626
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:27,139
some messed-up kid.
627
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,124
Right, so you're the victim?
628
00:41:29,125 --> 00:41:31,100
Huh?
Not my little boy.
629
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,339
Is that what you learnt in prison?
630
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:37,699
I came to say I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry.
631
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,784
I know it doesn't mean anything,
but... It's just too late,
632
00:41:40,785 --> 00:41:43,860
but I just wanted to say it.
Do whatever you want.
633
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,269
Come on, Ted.
Come on, do it.
634
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:50,060
Do it, I wouldn't blame you,
do it!
635
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:01,380
I'm so sorry, Ted.
636
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,520
My new name is Paul Raynott.
637
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,220
I live at Flat 9,
Endicott Place.
638
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,540
So now you know.
639
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:36,180
Breakfast call, Marcus.
640
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,779
Traces of David Sellars' blood,
641
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:54,149
the blade matches the wounds
on his body.
642
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:56,579
No prints or DNA from his attacker.
643
00:42:56,580 --> 00:43:00,719
Meanwhile,
Joe Sherringham's laptop
644
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,249
tells us he knows a thing or
two about encryption.
645
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:05,769
Masked IP addresses, proxy servers.
646
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:08,019
So it took a while,
but...
647
00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:10,340
ten days ago,
he got this.
648
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,419
An invoice for 50 diazepam.
649
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:15,209
Exactly the same chemical profile
650
00:43:15,210 --> 00:43:17,169
as the ones David Sellars was
taking.
651
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:20,549
- Sellars tries to make it without his meds.
- His mental state deteriorates.
652
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:23,660
- Asks Sherringham to get the diazepam for him.
- Ends up dead.
653
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:27,799
I'm pulling Joe Sherringham back in.
Going to keep this low-key,
654
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,100
OK?
Jack.
655
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,820
This what you call low-key?
656
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:50,490
Jason.
657
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,989
Badly burnt male. Found outside
the front of the property.
658
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:55,299
Alive, just.
659
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,019
Fire crews found
a body in the kitchen,
660
00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:59,549
we're just waiting for
the fire investigators.
661
00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:01,380
This isn't Joe Sherringham.
662
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,180
No, but this is.
663
00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:16,509
Looks like multiple
stab wounds to the face,
664
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:18,919
neck, upper torso.
665
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,040
- Same as David Sellars.
- Possibly.
666
00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:25,370
- Weapon?
- Screwdriver.
667
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:28,019
Under the body,
protected from the heat,
668
00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:29,799
about the only
thing in here that was.
669
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,370
This little baby is
the seat of the fire.
670
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,339
From the spread pattern
and the burns on the fellow outside,
671
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:37,220
I'd say an accelerant was used.
672
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,549
Boss. Hospital's got an ID
on the burns victim.
673
00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:46,939
It's Ted Blake.
674
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:50,219
Ted Blake? Father of Craig Blake.
675
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:52,620
The kid that Sherringham
murdered in the woods.
676
00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:56,849
So, did Blake find out
where his son's killer lived,
677
00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:58,519
set the fire to cover his tracks?
678
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,309
Got caught as the accelerant
ignited, staggered outside,
collapsed.
679
00:45:02,310 --> 00:45:04,499
Maybe this felt like some
kind of justice.
680
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:07,000
Hard to live with, a loss like his.
681
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,540
Sherringham's new ID was
Class One protected.
682
00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:14,549
I want Blake's last movements,
contacts, the lot.
683
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:16,149
I want to know why and how
684
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:18,119
- he found Joe Sherringham.
- Sir.
685
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,299
Tell the hospital to isolate
the suspect.
686
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,449
And, Snow... I want the press
out of this for as long as I can.
687
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:25,759
Why would Ted Blake also
kill David Sellars?
688
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,389
He wanted payback for his son,
maybe got to Sellars first,
689
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:32,279
forced him to spill Sherringham's
address, then killed him.
690
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,589
How did he find them?
691
00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:36,149
Well, we know that Sherringham met
Sellars and gave him diazepam,
692
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:38,839
maybe they were seen together
and someone tipped Ted Blake off.
693
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,299
We need Ted Blake to talk.
694
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,800
- Is he conscious?
- They won't let us near him.
695
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,040
You're a doctor, right?
696
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:47,859
No.
697
00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:50,289
This man is a murder suspect.
698
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:52,899
Right now, my patient has burns to
over 40% of his body.
699
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:55,159
I won't risk exposure to
further trauma.
700
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,569
I'm sure you realise
the implications of this case.
701
00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:00,069
My job is to keep him alive.
I'm sorry.
702
00:46:00,070 --> 00:46:02,479
Dr Chamberlain, Lyell Centre.
703
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,639
He has an endotracheal tube.
704
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,259
Was there respiratory distress?
705
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:08,629
Oedema of the oropharynx.
Possible hypoxia.
706
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:11,360
Hypoxia.
So, you've taken bloods.
707
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:14,559
15ml.
That's all we need.
708
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,260
Give us something to work with till
we can examine him.
709
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:21,040
I'll tell Path to expect you.
And his clothes are bagged.
710
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,160
What's left of them.
711
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,220
I've come to see my husband.
712
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,179
Mrs Blake, I'm Superintendent
Clive Mitchell.
713
00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:39,869
I know this is a really
difficult time,
714
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:42,269
but I do need to ask you
a few questions.
715
00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:43,570
Can't you wait?
716
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:48,139
He came to the office yesterday.
717
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:51,180
He'd been drinking,
I just wanted him out.
718
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:54,819
Did he ever talk about wanting
to find Sherringham?
719
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:56,490
All the time.
720
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,139
Dad used to bang on about revenge.
721
00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:02,460
What he'd do to Sherringham and
Chadwell if he ever got the chance.
722
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:07,039
We just...
We just thought it was drunk talk.
723
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Any idea how he learned
about Sherringham's new identity?
724
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:14,180
I got back up on my feet.
725
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:18,380
Built something
positive from my son's death.
726
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:20,700
Tried to forgive, never forget.
727
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,450
Ted's just made that a sick joke.
728
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:34,500
It's all starting again.
729
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:38,880
We're never going
to be free of this now.
730
00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:43,569
The blood is all Joe Sherringham's.
731
00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:45,629
No surface traces of the assailant.
732
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:48,319
Look for sweat or epidermal
samples under the handle.
733
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,091
Start where the shaft and the handle
meet, work your way down.
734
00:47:51,092 --> 00:47:53,809
So, those are my plans
for the evening.
735
00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:55,739
- You?
- The usual.
736
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:58,499
Cup of cocoa and straight to bed
with a Jilly Cooper.
737
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,509
Did you get the mass spectrometry
on Blake's clothes?
738
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:04,660
- No sign of accelerant.
- Really?
739
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:07,549
Well, maybe we're looking
at fast evaporation,
740
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:09,659
LPG, aerosols,
lighter fluid.
741
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:11,229
Maybe, but...
742
00:48:11,230 --> 00:48:13,909
I can't find any blood
on Ted's clothes either.
743
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:17,099
With that kind of attack you'd
think we'd get something.
744
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:20,599
You set alight to a crime scene to
obliterate traces, right?
745
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,700
But Joe Sherringham was attacked
and killed in the kitchen.
746
00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:26,230
So, why set the fire in the hall?
747
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:29,644
Absence of soot in the mouth
and pharynx,
748
00:48:29,645 --> 00:48:32,739
indicative of death before the fire.
749
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:35,239
An examination of distal airways
to confirm.
750
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,779
Stab wounds to the chest,
neck, upper arms.
751
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:40,759
Angles of entry and spread
suggest that they were made
752
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,459
while the victim was
moving in relation to his assailant.
753
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,890
Multiple deep stab wounds
to the face.
754
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,570
These seem to have been made
after he stopped moving.
755
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,119
I don't think this was just a
frenzied attack.
756
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,750
This was mutilation.
757
00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:57,940
Someone wanted to
dehumanise Joe.
758
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:01,659
Erase his identity.
759
00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:02,960
Why?
760
00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:05,119
There's no ritual element,
761
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,289
as far as we can see,
there's nothing sexual.
762
00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:10,260
Because then, he'd be
removed as an obstacle.
763
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:13,390
He wouldn't be in their way
any more.
764
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:22,329
Two different types of murder weapon,
a knife and a screwdriver.
765
00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:25,109
But there are similarities
in wound pattern.
766
00:49:25,110 --> 00:49:27,749
In particular,
a deliberate targeting to the face.
767
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:30,559
In Sellars' case, less pronounced.
768
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,619
The facial wounds are fewer
and shallower.
769
00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:35,564
So, the killer's work on Sherringham
could suggest a development.
770
00:49:35,565 --> 00:49:37,939
His anger's finding
its expression.
771
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:39,249
More focused.
772
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:41,159
We know Ted Blake
was in the vicinity,
773
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,839
but so far we've got nothing to connect him to the
actual murder, or, indeed, to setting the fire.
774
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,849
No, you told us there were
flash burns on Ted Blake.
775
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:49,659
Yes, but there's no
trace of accelerant on his clothes
776
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:52,600
and we would've expected at least
some of Sherringham's blood
to show up.
777
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:56,480
So, we've got nothing.
778
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,100
What happens
if there was a third person?
779
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,420
Possible.
780
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,479
Pull up the file
on Joe Sherringham
781
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,579
- and his victim, Craig Blake.
- Gov.
782
00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:17,209
Anything on the screwdriver?
Small traces of skin on the handle.
783
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:20,149
Luckily, Sherringham's blood didn't
get in there or swamp them.
784
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:22,629
I'm expecting the DNA back soon.
785
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:24,939
Blake's conscious, he's trying
to talk.
786
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:26,420
I'll come with you.
787
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:37,329
Sats are dropping.
788
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:40,280
Bringing the defib just now.
Got a cart.
789
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:42,579
Ted!
790
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:44,570
Sir!
You need to move out of the room.
791
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,880
Sir,
can you move back?
792
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,100
Still falling.
793
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,469
It appears Edward Blake was
caught in a fire that destroyed
794
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:56,849
the flat where Joe Sherringham
was living.
795
00:50:56,850 --> 00:51:00,589
15 years ago, Sherringham and an
older teenager, Marcus Chadwell,
796
00:51:00,590 --> 00:51:01,959
received life sentences
797
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,079
for the murder of Blake's son,
Craig.
798
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,949
Sherringham had
recently been released
799
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:07,999
on licence with a new identity,
800
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,349
while Marcus Chadwell
remains at a high security
801
00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:12,399
unit at Oakford Prison.
802
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,940
- Ted Blake's dead.
- Really?
803
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:18,579
This came from Mitchell.
804
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:21,240
The pathology from the Craig Blake
inquest.
805
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,109
Thanks, Clarissa.
806
00:51:24,110 --> 00:51:26,240
I'm here all night if you need me.
807
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,919
- When do we get Blake's body?
- Be with you later today.
808
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,420
What's the news?
809
00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:05,930
Targeting the face is
an uncommon style of violence.
810
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:10,180
But look at this. 15 years ago.
811
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,969
Among Craig Blake's
many injuries,
812
00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:15,659
there were a dozen
puncture wounds to his face.
813
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:19,739
Joe Sherringham testified that they
were inflicted by Marcus Chadwell.
814
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:23,430
Marcus never admitted this.
Well, he's never admitted anything.
815
00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:27,739
Maybe Marcus doesn't
want his second chance.
816
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:29,759
It's rare, but it happens.
817
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,799
He's never shown
remorse for what he did,
818
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,799
he's refused all rehabilitation
work.
819
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,769
On both Sellars and Sherringham,
820
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:38,699
we suspect that these
wounds were inflicted
821
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:40,709
when the victim was motionless.
822
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:42,119
At the Blake trial,
823
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,889
the prosecution
suggested Marcus
824
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:46,290
did something
very similar to Craig Blake.
825
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,969
All right,
is it possible
826
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:56,319
that Marcus Chadwell
coerced someone else
827
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,889
into killing both Joe and David?
This third person?
828
00:53:59,890 --> 00:54:02,579
Surely we have to consider
the possibility.
829
00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:04,549
When one of the victims is
Joe Sherringham.
830
00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:07,939
Marcus's contact with the outside
world is closely monitored.
831
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:11,099
Yeah, but he's associated with other prisoners
for years, some of whom have been released.
832
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,359
And he's highly manipulative.
833
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,069
Psychopathic personality
types always are.
834
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:19,939
He manipulated Joe into killing
Craig Blake.
835
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:21,240
But?
836
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:23,240
Two things.
837
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:28,709
If Marcus influenced
someone inside to go out and kill,
838
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:30,479
then we missed it.
839
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,959
Given the tests, the therapy,
the scrutiny
840
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,339
that lifers undergo,
it's unlikely.
841
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:37,649
But it could happen.
842
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:40,609
It would take a uniquely
deceptive personality
843
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:43,119
to hide their true
psychology over time.
844
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,589
Marcus is a uniquely deceptive
personality,
845
00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:47,519
so what's the second thing?
846
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,579
You've seen the TV.
847
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:52,389
Marcus Chadwell is famous again.
848
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:57,029
You give him the attention
of a police investigation on top?
849
00:54:57,030 --> 00:55:01,380
He WILL play games.
He's been dreaming of this.
850
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,759
You understand why we're here.
851
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,789
Ted Blake and Joe Sherringham.
852
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:31,120
Yes, how very unfortunate for them.
853
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:34,990
We've not been introduced.
854
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,219
I'm a forensic pathologist.
855
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:40,730
So you're the one
digging up the past.
856
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,210
Can you tell us
anything about these wounds?
857
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:57,740
I don't have a lot to say
about this.
858
00:55:58,310 --> 00:55:59,619
Do you?
859
00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:01,749
Judging by the concentration
and patterning,
860
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:03,909
he wasn't conscious
when they were inflicted.
861
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:06,029
And that's your conclusion?
Is it correct?
862
00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:08,260
Well, you seem quite confident.
863
00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:11,659
What do you see there, Marcus?
864
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:13,649
I see Craig Blake.
865
00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:15,980
Recognise the photograph
from the trial.
866
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:24,709
Have you discussed Craig's wounds
with anyone else?
867
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:26,019
Who do you have in mind?
868
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:28,949
Somebody who you felt
comfortable talking to.
869
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:31,939
You looked after Joe,
didn't you, Doctor?
870
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:34,729
Strange how inseparable
we became.
871
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:36,210
You were very different.
872
00:56:36,580 --> 00:56:38,619
How was Joe under your care?
873
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:40,549
Joe was a very brave young man.
874
00:56:40,550 --> 00:56:42,959
I'm not very interested in Joe
and I'm not,
875
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,029
it turns out,
very interested in you.
876
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,879
Evidently, you're here
877
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,339
because you need
information from me, yes?
878
00:56:49,340 --> 00:56:51,529
If that is to happen,
then,
879
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:55,660
we would need to discuss
someone that I am interested in.
880
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,350
Who are you interested in, Marcus?
881
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,630
The mother, of course.
882
00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:08,140
Sylvie.
Sylvie Blake.
883
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:13,980
Things happened that day
I've not spoken about,
884
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:17,240
things that impact on Joe's death
885
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:20,030
very directly.
886
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:24,209
Are you claiming influence
over these murders?
887
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:27,029
Influence -
that's a very good word.
888
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:28,339
He's being evasive.
889
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:31,450
I can tell you who killed Joe.
890
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,710
We need to take Sylvie to
the building in the woods.
891
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:06,289
Puncture wound, made by a small,
blunt object.
892
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:08,609
WE haven't been able to match it with
anything in the house
893
00:58:08,610 --> 00:58:10,759
and it wasn't made by the murder
weapon.
894
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,569
- You shouldn't have come here.
- I'm not mad at you, mind.
895
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:15,359
I'm going
to bring him out now.
896
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,360
He's not going to get
anywhere near you.
897
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,980
Where were you the
day that Craig died?
898
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:22,779
Why are you asking me this?
899
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:24,259
I want you to check for a match.
900
00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:27,179
- Right, Ted Blake, I'm on it.
- Not Ted.
901
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:29,359
It can go wrong for people like us.
902
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,900
Don't put your hands on me!
903
00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:40,720
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